As promised yesterday, today I have the transcript for the sixth and final panel of the January 21 meeting of the EO Committee of the ABA’s Tax Section. Yesterday I sent out the handout for this panel, which I’m sure everyone has now read. Speaking of reading assignments, I recommend Stephanie Strom’s article in today’s New York Times, “IRS Takes on Tax Abuse by Charity Support Groups.”
As you read the panel transcript, you will see that joining the list of those having made the now notorious bar quip is Doug Mancino, joining an exclusive club of EO notables (set out below). As I mentioned last year, the first few times I thought it was cute, but finally I said enough, that future references would be compiled. As I print out the remarks of recent honorees, I now wonder, who will rise to the occasion and make a bar quip come May? Or is mostly a January phenomenon, as reflected in the following list?
January 21, 2011 meeting: “This is the last panel between you and the bar so I’d like to keep us on time but fortunately for us Fred [Gerhart] has put a wonderful topic that will keep you glued to your seats and away from the bar during the next hour….” (Doug Mancino)
January 22, 2010 meeting: “I know it’s very hard to be on a panel that is followed by a cash bar….” (Elaine Waterhouse Wilson)
September 25, 2009 meeting: “We are now to our last panel of the day, the only panel standing between you and the cash bar.” (Fred Gerhart)
January 9, 2009 meeting: “Our last panel of the day and the last panel standing in the way of the cash bar is now approaching.” (Mike Clark)
May 9, 2008 meeting: “… hopefully we’ll hear from you either at the mike or, if it gets too close to five, out at the bar.” (Sarah Hall Ingram)
January 18, 2008 meeting: “We’re the last panel standing between you and the cocktail hour….” (Mike Clark)
Speaking of Doug Mancino, he is truly one of the giants of the EO bar, but I do have to take issue with one statement of his at the January EO Committee meeting (transcript reprinted below) where he said: “I saw the recent statistics from the IRS showing audit rates for all taxpayers. It was kind of interesting because the audit rate for nonprofit or tax-exempt organizations was, I believe, 3.7 percent….”
I’m not sure where Doug gets his 3.7 percent figure, but there is a wide disparity between his figure and the figures we’ve batted around recently in these email updates. Here’s what I said in Email Update 2010-185 (12/16/10) about audit information provided by the IRS:
“The graph [that is set out in the current IRS workplan] tells us that in FY 2009 — of 16,960 returns examined — 6,773 pertained to compliance checks and 10,187 pertained to traditional examinations. These figures sound like a lot, but we know, thanks to Sandy Deja and Marc Owens, that these figures need further examination. In my November 18 email update, Sandy points out that, of those 10,187 returns examined, only 3,445 were Forms 990 and 990-EZ. The rest were mostly employment tax returns (4,582) and 990-Ts (962). We also know, thanks to Marc, that most audits involve more than one year, so an audit of one organization may involve multiple 990s. My best guess was that this translated to 1,723 organizations being subject to a traditional audit in FY 2009. Marc was not as precise, estimating 1,500-to-2,000 audits. Regardless, we are talking a .002 audit rate, not 2 %, but .2 %, pretty close to infinitesimal, especially when you exclude targeted audits described later in the [IRS] report. So, my comment is that the IRS is leaving out some important data that the public may find of interest. Perhaps next year the report can include a statement that, out of an EO universe of 1.8 million entities, of which 1.2 million are (c)(3)s, only about 2,000 are subject to a traditional audit, and only about 1,000 are subject to a compliance check.”
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Update on Executive Compensation and Intermediate Sanctions
What follows are the January 21 remarks of Robert W. Friz, PricewaterhouseCoopers, Philadelphia, and Ralph E. DeJong, McDermott Will & Emery, Chicago, as delivered to members of the EO Committee of the ABA’s Tax Section. The moderator of the panel is Douglas M. Mancino, McDermott Will & Emery, Los Angeles.